Thursday, February 19, 2009

Q & A with Erin Prophet

by Chérie Newman

If you lived in Montana during the '80s and '90s you've heard the name Elizabeth Claire Prophet, a.k.a "Guru Ma." And you probably associate that name with media stories about Church Universal and Triumphant: bomb shelters, illegal acquisition of automatic weapons, and a major environmental disaster -- the result of leaky underground fuel storage tanks.

At the time, you may have wondered what the heck was going on over in the Paradise Valley. I certainly did.

Well now, at last, we have an opportunity to read the inside story because Elizabeth Claire Prophet's daughter, Erin, has published a book: The Prophet's Daughter: My Life with Elizabeth Claire Prophet Inside the Church Universal and Triumphant.

The book is well-written and surprisingly nonjudgmental, which intrigued me enough to contact Erin and pepper her with questions.

Can you describe the moment you decided to write "The Prophet's Daughter"?
The book began as a much larger project, which I had envisioned as a biography of my parents and a history of their church and principal followers. I decided to write it in early 1998, before my mother's illness had been diagnosed. I always intended it to be an accessible work for the general public that would show my mother's human side while revealing what I believe is a genuine spiritual gift as a charismatic leader and promoter of alternative religious thought. I began by conducting interviews with dozens of people who had known my parents and been inspired by their work. I planned to tie it together through my own story, but in the beginning I approached it much more as a historical account than a memoir. It went through many rewrites, with much of the history being cut out, then some added back in, at the request of different editors.

What research materials did you use to reconstruct the past? Diaries or journals? Newspaper clippings?
I had learned to take very good notes while in journalism school, and I had notebooks full of observations dating from the time I had begun to work for my mother, around 1985, through 1998. There was also a lot of material in the public domain, including newspaper clippings, court transcripts and other legal documents. And I had transcripts of many of my mother's public events.

Did you censor, or leave out, certain parts of the story in order to protect people, or yourself?
I tried to respect the privacy of people who were or had been in the church. A number of people asked me not to use their real names. My rule of thumb was to include only names of people who had given me interviews, or who had already been publicly mentioned in the press or in court documents. I could have made some people look worse than they did, including myself. I may tell a fuller story in the future, but I think that I accomplished my purpose in the sense that I was able to portray both what drew us together into a community and what pulled us apart.

What was your process of writing? Did you churn out pages while working at a "day" job?
I am almost embarrassed at how much of my life I have given to this project. It took ten years. Initially, I was a home-maker raising two boys and two step-sons while helping my husband to run his construction business. At that time, I had a few hours a day to write. After my divorce in 2002, I started a technical writing business with the aim of supporting myself as a writer. That was only partially successful, and I transitioned into work as a corporate trainer and project manager while finalizing my book. There was a very intense period in which I had taken a full-time job but I was also under contract to deliver my manuscript. I would get up at five, write for an hour before leaving for work, and then work several hours a day also on the weekends, as well as any vacation time that I had.

How did you find your publisher?
As I'm sure many authors have told you, finding a publisher is no easy task. I was introduced to my agent, Jane Jordan-Browne, by Patrick and Carol Hemingway in 1998. Jane had represented a number of celebrity biographies, and that was how she treated the project initially. She had some interest from big publishers, but I was told numerous times that my work was too journalistic and that I needed to write more about my own feelings. It has always been difficult for me to write about myself, and this was the most challenging part of the project. In 2002, Jane unfortunately died after a short illness, and her agency was taken over by Danielle Egan-Miller, who encouraged me to rework the project into a memoir. I chose to focus the story around the questions people might have about the shelter episode, which is of course the most well-known part of the story. I think I could have found a publisher more easily if I had been willing to write a "how-I-got-out-of-the-cult" book but I always wanted to portray the story in its complexity. I have never believed in brainwashing and I try to show, in addition to my mother's charisma, that she was meeting genuine spiritual needs, and that the expectations of the followers also played a role in her power. In 2005, Danielle and her assistant Joanna MacKenzie got me a contract with Penguin-Tarcher, but they ended up canceling it because I hadn't been successful in trimming the length. My friend the journalist Scott McMillion was able to connect me with Allen Jones at Globe Pequot, who was very interested in the project, and helped me to polish it into its final form. It was published in the fall of 2008 by Lyons Press, which is an imprint of Globe Pequot.

Did your siblings support this book project?
My siblings were very supportive in terms of sharing their time and memories. My brother Sean also helped with photographs. I was pleased when, after reading a final draft, they told me I had finally done it. I had been successful in terms of revealing our mother as a talented and loving but flawed human being. I appreciate their support and honesty in allowing me to portray their own struggles, because none of us comes off as perfect in the book.

How have people in the communities of Livingston and Gardiner responded to this story?
The friends that I have in Livingston and Gardiner have been supportive. I think they also have been interested to learn the details about a story that touched their lives directly or indirectly.

How have CUT members reacted to the book?
I have had a mixed reaction from church members. I've gotten a lot of letters and e-mails from both current and former members, particularly people my age and younger, thanking me for having the courage and honesty to tell my story. On the other hand, some members have been pretty upset and felt betrayed. Many of them won't even read the book. It's become a badge of honor not to have read it. It was never my intent to destroy their faith, but I do believe that my story has important ramifications for the future structure of the church, particularly with regard to its teachings on evil incarnate and sexuality. The church leadership has tried to brush off the book as a "personal story" about the past that presumably does not reveal who they are today. I would hope that they would have the courage to admit the problems that come from some of the beliefs and publicly renounce some of the beliefs that led to the most important mistakes. I see my parents as pioneers who drew from many religious traditions. Our church was a laboratory for those traditions, and not all of them worked.

What has happened to CUT since your mother left as leader of the organization?
It is currently led by a group of conservative ministers. They have undone some of the restructuring that my mother supported towards the end of her working life. In what I believe was an apology for the excesses of her power, she had embraced a collaborative model that was supposed to allow the members more say in the direction of the church. However, the current structure, as I understand it, gives control to a small in-bred group, which I don't see as a positive step. They have arbitrarily dismissed many dedicated members whose only crime was to question their authority. If the church is to move successfully into the future, it needs to re-embrace the collaborative model and allow for evolutionary change, which was something my mother herself had done, in terms of updating earlier traditions when she first began her ministry.


  1. To Erin Prophet,

    So much effort for what? Does that made you happy?
    Your parents built a Church that speaks of eternal life in our época. Miles of people in the world, like me, follow his teachings and we have rebuilt our lives because it is the word of God for this difficult time. Many of the prophecies that they revealed are fulfilling now.
    What is your work?

  2. Yes. I agree.

    Are you doing work comparable to that of your parents?

    Criticism is easier than to build.

  3. ERIN

  4. hi,
    to bring out what one have in the inside is not an easy task but a necesary step toward the realisation of how the creator abide in one.
    There comes a point in the path when the structures of "rights" and "wrongs" that one has build of to construct one's faith is no more useful for what brings you to a point cannot bring you further. It is when one must let go of the illusion of "doing something for the world" and be sincere in the defining of one's own reality. In this measure, the work of Erin is indeed a leap of faith that bring her closer to god and an oportunity to reap what she saw and learn from here foreward. thank you erin I am sure your Mother support you deeply with no regards to what opposition comes in your way. inspirational indeed

  5. As a new person to Elizabeth Clare Prophet's teachings, I have found validity. But after reading this book, I am going to go a different route... I applaud Erin's COURAGE and the willingness to put her life on display in order to share her truth with all. Thank you for that!

  6. I have just finished reading Erin's book and Elizabeth's books over the past 10 years. I believe no one on earth is truly perfect and has their personality strengths and weaknesses. Today, in fact I still love Elizabeth's teachings in her books which is great source of solace and inspiration for this troubling world. I still admire Elizabeth for her passion in teaching spiritual subjects and I also thank and honour Erin for sharing the important facts and wisdom learned about the past which is also valuable for all to learn discernment.

  7. Dear Erin,

    May you receive the judgement of Lord Jesus Christ . How can you do this ?

    SHIVA !!!!!!!

  8. @Dylan Judgement?

    I'm sure Erin has plenty support from up high. Idolatry and unquestioning support of centralised power serves no one, especially those who are put on pedestals and kept to inhuman expectations. Elisabeth Clare Prophet was a wonderful person who did a wonderful service but herself said her accuracy was not near to 100%. Surely there are more grievious momentums of harm out there that needs stopping? Surely asking for divine insight and revelation and guidance and healing can do more good than asking for someone to be judged - the exact opposite of what Jesus taught? CUT was never intended to develop an army of trigger happy troops, but balanced spiritual individuals who can contribute to a healthy society. One day you will hopefully thank her. If you believe you can help guide any of us to a better path then that is appreciated, but outright calls for judgement of someone who is trying their best to heal a community is a strange way of doing so.
    There were very clear repeated calls in CUT to end fanaticism and to stop projecting negativity onto everyone out there.

    Ruan Malan

  9. The lying began back in the days of the Iam:

  10. So sad that criticism, like sex and violence, sells the most books. I hope no one writes a book about my flaws, mistakes, and faults.